My understanding is that most people want to stop switching, but its split on which side to stay on.
zadikian 13 hours ago [-]
I'd rather have it switch than do permanent DST. It's not good to wake up in total darkness if you can avoid it. Best would just be permanent standard time.
verall 13 hours ago [-]
I'd rather have it switch than do permanent standard time. It's not good to end your workday in total darkness if you can avoid it. It's nice to wake up in early darkness and see the sun rise. Best would be permanent daylight time.
qball 11 hours ago [-]
Ignoring, of course, the fact you're already waking up in total darkness in Standard time.
At least with perma-DST you at least get daylight once you leave work; with perma-Standard you don't get that either.
Affric 12 hours ago [-]
Yeah, being awoken by an alarm in pure darkness is grim which, longitude 15 solar noon minutes west of where our timezone is set and at our latitude is very possible in winter.
With pure standard time we would never have sunset before 5 pm but daylight savings puts half the year's 7 am before the sun has risen, and if you are an early riser as I have become, before the dawn breaks.
It also gives us four months where it's very hard to get children to sleep after 8 pm and for me it's even hard to start winding down.
I think summer time is really non-optimal for most purposes, changing the clocks sucks, and most individuals that work do so for too many hours a day. It's a local maximum in terms of how we socially manage time and people mistake optimising our society towards it to be optimising towards a global maximum.
Imagine if there was no DST and someone said "let's change every clock...", I would think it's a classic XY problem.
postalrat 12 hours ago [-]
It sucks when it's dark outside at 4:30 pm. That means many people don't even see much of the sun during the work week.
Affric 3 hours ago [-]
I have lived at high latitudes and agree; funnily enough around that time of year fog and cloud cover often meant no sun even if you were out during the day, records of 62 days with no sight of the sun. Crushing stuff.
But the situation you describe is literally not physically possible where I currently live due to proximity to the equator and being west of the line of longitude our clock runs on during standard time, but DST demands we wake up in darkness.
How the workday in the modern economy is fundamentally unjust. You shouldn't have to sign away your ability to see the sun for a job (unless at extremely high latitudes or extreme weather conditions).
tobadzistsini 16 hours ago [-]
BC didn't get rid of it. Now it's permanent.
cwillu 16 hours ago [-]
They got rid of the biannual clock change, which is obviously what they're talking about.
13 hours ago [-]
kixiQu 16 hours ago [-]
"Daylight Saving Time" refers to adjusting the time in a way that noon does not try to track solar noon for a timezone in order to shift daylight later in the clock-day.
verall 13 hours ago [-]
Tracking solar time would mean it's equivalently light out at 5AM and at 7PM. Nearly noone is awake at 5AM. Nearly everyone is awake at 7PM. You can wave your arms around and say "well then why don't people wake up earlier", but they have jobs and stuff. The "scientific evidence" for standard time is flimsy.
gonzalohm 15 hours ago [-]
If we were trying to adjust the time to track the solar time, wouldn't we need to adjust the clocks every day as days get shorter/longer?
I keep seeing this in every post discussing Daylight Savings. What's the obsession with tracking solar noon?
hn_throwaway_99 15 hours ago [-]
> If we were trying to adjust the time to track the solar time, wouldn't we need to adjust the clocks every day as days get shorter/longer?
No (not within a min or two). When days get shorter, it's not like they just lose daylight in the evening.
dghlsakjg 14 hours ago [-]
That’s what the actual news release and title say if you read the article you are commenting on.
Not sure why the title got changed for this post.
nicwolff 16 hours ago [-]
It's "Daylight Saving", not "Savings".
jahnu 14 hours ago [-]
“‘Daylight saving time’ is also sometimes called ‘daylight saving,’ ‘daylight savings,’ ‘daylight savings time,’ or ‘daylight time.’
In the 1970s, I temporarily relocated from Vancouver to Boston. A few days after I arrived, someone said, “After work, I'm going to take the T [subway] to BC.” I was awed by the concept of a continental mass-transit system, but puzzled. It turns out that in the Massachusetts Bay area, BC is Boston College.
Context is king.
nitroedge 4 hours ago [-]
Its where it rains all the time and we are north of Seattle (our fellow grey weather neighbors)
dghlsakjg 14 hours ago [-]
Click through to the article you are commenting on, it’s very clear. It is a link to the official government site for British Columbia, a large province encompassing the entire pacific coast of Canada.
Related, with 45 comments: "19 [US] States approved permanent daylight saving time" https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47290037
At least with perma-DST you at least get daylight once you leave work; with perma-Standard you don't get that either.
With pure standard time we would never have sunset before 5 pm but daylight savings puts half the year's 7 am before the sun has risen, and if you are an early riser as I have become, before the dawn breaks.
It also gives us four months where it's very hard to get children to sleep after 8 pm and for me it's even hard to start winding down.
I think summer time is really non-optimal for most purposes, changing the clocks sucks, and most individuals that work do so for too many hours a day. It's a local maximum in terms of how we socially manage time and people mistake optimising our society towards it to be optimising towards a global maximum.
Imagine if there was no DST and someone said "let's change every clock...", I would think it's a classic XY problem.
But the situation you describe is literally not physically possible where I currently live due to proximity to the equator and being west of the line of longitude our clock runs on during standard time, but DST demands we wake up in darkness.
How the workday in the modern economy is fundamentally unjust. You shouldn't have to sign away your ability to see the sun for a job (unless at extremely high latitudes or extreme weather conditions).
No (not within a min or two). When days get shorter, it's not like they just lose daylight in the evening.
Not sure why the title got changed for this post.
So, listen to your heart.”
https://bsky.app/profile/merriam-webster.com/post/3mgkh6eycs...
Context is king.